tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6002795670978945118.post1390034248178121867..comments2023-05-05T09:18:09.235-06:00Comments on Murph Talks: Pete Rose? I Think It's TimeUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6002795670978945118.post-63172143458264915832012-01-31T18:44:50.397-07:002012-01-31T18:44:50.397-07:00Dale I love your post. I am 22 year old college st...Dale I love your post. I am 22 year old college student in Milledgeville GA and I like to do some blog writing on the side. I mentioned this post today and I hope that is ok. My blog can be found at http://benandpaper.wordpress.com/ and I would love to hear your comments on my most recent post and any of the others. Thanks, Ben CarrollAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6002795670978945118.post-87535457555097418712011-09-19T18:40:22.630-06:002011-09-19T18:40:22.630-06:00Does anyone no how to get ahold of Pete Rose ? I w...Does anyone no how to get ahold of Pete Rose ? I would love to get a message to him ?daltonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07220468436284329084noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6002795670978945118.post-3452718137862281512011-07-28T20:22:41.774-06:002011-07-28T20:22:41.774-06:00Thanks for your thought on this...great comments!Thanks for your thought on this...great comments!Dalehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11050211015845730481noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6002795670978945118.post-4572106304938232902011-06-07T22:03:20.402-06:002011-06-07T22:03:20.402-06:00I wonder whether people here understand what a thr...I wonder whether people here understand what a threat gambling is to MLB. Gambling almost destroyed it in 1919-1920. Hence the ban. Rose actively and knowingly undermined the integrity of the game. He did it consistently over a considerable period. And then he lied about it for years. <br /><br />One can harbor forgiveness for Rose as a person while believing that he should remain banned and kept out of the Hall. It's questionable whether it's even in Rose's best interest for the ban to be lifted. Does he really need something else to "win"? Is being vindicated going to make him a better person? Embracing the consequences for his actions would do him some good.<br /><br />It's better for MLB to have rules that it sticks by, in my opinion.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6002795670978945118.post-27966058867203484272011-06-06T10:36:54.148-06:002011-06-06T10:36:54.148-06:00I absolutely believe Pete should be in the HOF. Wh...I absolutely believe Pete should be in the HOF. While I don’t approve of betting on baseball, no one can deny the records he has broken and still holds! <br /><br />I truly believe that the drive and determination that earned him the name “Charlie Hustle” on the field was also the fuel that made betting such a problem for him later in life. His “need to win” is simply part of his DNA and that drive is what made him great.<br /><br />Growing up, Pete was (and still is) one of my heroes. He proved that you can do anything if you work hard at it, and no one worked as hard as Pete Rose.<br /><br />On my latest CD, I wrote and recorded a song about Pete; it’s called “You Bet”<br />http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/sammorrisonband3<br /><br />The hook of the song is: “Does Pete Rose belong in the Hall of Fame…….I say You Bet!”<br /><br />Baseball is a better game because Pete Rose played it. How many other players can you "truly" say that about?Sam Morrisonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08811627238290265521noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6002795670978945118.post-35010038541889790442011-06-03T20:27:30.510-06:002011-06-03T20:27:30.510-06:00Murph,
I agree Pete Rose deserves a spot in the H...Murph,<br /><br />I agree Pete Rose deserves a spot in the Hall, but for slightly different reasons. I think we need to celebrate the accomplishments on the field without necessarily celebrating the people. My only stipulation is that the game had to be played cleanly, as in steroid-free. I wrote my position on Pete Rose here http://hallornohall.com/2009/09/pete-rose<br /><br />One problem I have with your reasoning behind your 25-year ban solution is the livelihood issue. With the amount of money thrown around on contracts, all it takes is a few years of honest play before a bank account is stacked and the game no longer serves a financial purpose. A lifetime ban won't cripple a players livelihood in that respects. It will cripple their ability to garner more positive celebrity--not notoriety.<br /><br />Anyway, glad you're posting. You still are my favorite ball player of all time. I'm glad you're making the leap into social media so fans like me can hear your voice and see a glimpse of your life.Jonathan Brownhttp://hallornohall.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6002795670978945118.post-79285555644653633422011-06-02T12:50:29.696-06:002011-06-02T12:50:29.696-06:00Murph,
I disagree with you on this. The lifetime b...Murph,<br />I disagree with you on this. The lifetime ban is crucial to letting players/managers/coaches know how serious MLB is about keeping gambling out of the game. <br />In fact, one of the best points you ever made to me in talking about how to keep steroids out of baseball was an automatic ban, as you said then, "Just like gambling" to show how serious MLB is about keeping players clean.<br />I really don't see any difference. I think players/manager/coaches have seen how Rose has been treated, how there is absolutely no shot of him going in the Hall while he's alive, and they think/know, "I wouldn't want that to be me." <br />And remember, he did what he did knowing the consequences of his actions.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6002795670978945118.post-81762546746223309582011-06-02T11:15:53.415-06:002011-06-02T11:15:53.415-06:00Good Afternoon Dale,
I just finished listening to...Good Afternoon Dale,<br /><br />I just finished listening to your interview with the guys on 610WIP radio in Philly. What a great interview. I grew up in the late 70s and 80s, watching you and Mike Schmidt go back and forth every year with home run titles. You were a great player to watch.<br /><br />As far as Pete Rose goes, I agree with you that keeping him out ultimately may be more of a statement about us than him. But, I think what bothers most people is that it took him more than 20 years to finally admit that he bet on baseball, after denying it for so many years. I think if he has admitted it much earlier, he would have been reinstated.<br /><br />The interesting thing is that the Hall of Fame is not a part of MLB. MLB has no control over the Hall. So, even though MLB banned Pete for life, the Hall does not have to abide by that ruling as far as their membership. But, the Hall has that morality clause that states that a player, in addition to his play on the field, must also be judged based on his conduct off the field, which the voters must take into account. Because of this, I don't think that Pete will get in.<br /><br />But, I agree with your premise that it is a shame that it ever came to this.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6002795670978945118.post-51636542022983740602011-06-02T09:37:58.183-06:002011-06-02T09:37:58.183-06:00I believe Pete Rose should be in the hall however ...I believe Pete Rose should be in the hall however I do not think it should be while he is still alive or for that fact any of the steriod era greats that have tested positive for such. There are too many issues for players to deal with while they are alive. Too many discussions on what happend and why. That alone takes away from everything the enshrinment day is and the days going forward for the hall. If selected for such an honor after the player has passed on then he would be remembered for what he did in his playing years not his personal life. Pete Rose hall of Fame yes Arod yes McGwire yes but after they have passed away and wont take away from the hall<br />Ryan B. from AlabamaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6002795670978945118.post-58819939956380385572011-06-01T19:21:55.279-06:002011-06-01T19:21:55.279-06:00Good argument, Murphy. Pete Rose absolutely deserv...Good argument, Murphy. Pete Rose absolutely deserves to be in the Hall of Fame.Gracehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09790001106554971878noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6002795670978945118.post-79088260398574316252011-06-01T13:01:59.876-06:002011-06-01T13:01:59.876-06:00I think of Pete Rose the same as the so called ste...I think of Pete Rose the same as the so called steroid era players. They should go in the Hall of Fame because of their records on the field and then the players who we know did steroids and the same with Pete Rose can have materials talking about the darker side to their careers. It's a great teaching situation for kids and adults alike. Whitewashing the issues away makes no sense to me.Ceehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01482351260647998503noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6002795670978945118.post-2351036296927531532011-06-01T12:22:35.726-06:002011-06-01T12:22:35.726-06:00I was at the '99 World Series when they lifted...I was at the '99 World Series when they lifted the ban on Pete for one day so that he could be named to the "Team of the Century". The applause that he received that night was on par with Ted Williams. Fans have certainly forgiven him and MLB needs to take a hard look at its policy and the price that Pete has paid.Jaredhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11201196553722365909noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6002795670978945118.post-68858119366995470102011-06-01T11:56:56.349-06:002011-06-01T11:56:56.349-06:00Given what's going on in baseball now -- stero...Given what's going on in baseball now -- steroids, complete lack of competitive balance, it's VERY silly to me that they won't let Pete Rose in the Hall.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6002795670978945118.post-7750584231593700882011-06-01T11:41:46.564-06:002011-06-01T11:41:46.564-06:00Dale, I agree with your comments, for the most par...Dale, I agree with your comments, for the most part. Your argument in favor of the ban, regardless of the direction, is something that many people overlook.<br /><br />I disagree with changing the duration. While Pete's direct livelihood has been severly crippled, his indirect income from memorabilia and other "I'm Pete Rose" outlets continue, though likely diminished.<br /><br />When I think of this issue, I like to reflect upon Shoeless Joe. Depending on the account, he either did, or did not, knowingly participate in throwing the 1919 World Series. At the absolute least, he deserved punishment for not coming forward when he knew what was happening. His ban lasted until he died, 30 years after he was banned.<br /><br />The precedent was set with Shoeless Joe and it was well known. Pete knew and he still did it, repeatedly. The ban needs to stay lifetime.<br /><br />I will say that the argument over the Hall of Fame is separate. I've always been torn on that issue. I've always felt that all the character issues that have been keeping Pete out should have gotten you into the Hall.<br /><br />My 2+ cents.<br /><br />-Pie<br />@piewordsPiehttp://pieonsports.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.com